tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post4066652296736251904..comments2024-03-27T20:43:41.891+00:00Comments on Arabdemocracy: Jews from Arab lands suddenly remembered in the USArab Democracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-58000688274690851622009-07-29T12:58:20.912+01:002009-07-29T12:58:20.912+01:00Okay, I saw a brief of the movie, found an online ...Okay, I saw a brief of the movie, found an online spanish version which is quite useless for me, but i think i can get to see it in one cinematheque shows around, though it's 4.5 hours, quite long a piece...<br /><br />I do owe you one interesting tidbit in return. search for the works of nissim malul and articles he published. I wonder what would be your take on his writings.<br /><br />quoth http://www.passia.org/meetings/2004/May-24-Late-Ottoman-Palestine.htm<br /><br />Nissim Malul was born to a Tunisian family in Zepat in 1892. At a young age he moved with his family to Egypt , where his father became a Rabbi in the Jewish communities of Cairo and Tanta . He studied in Jewish schools in Cairo , and completed his higher education in the American College in Tanta , where he studied philosophy, Arabic literature and journalism. At this period he started publishing in the Egyptian newspaper al-Muqattam. In 1911 he returned to Palestine , and started working for the Zionist office in Jaffa . His main role was to respond to the anti-Zionist articles which were published mainly in the Palestinian Arab-Christian newspapers Filastin and al-Karmil . He was fluent in Arabic, and his articles were published in other newspapers as well in Egypt and Lebanon . He was also involved in a short publication of a Jewish newspaper in Arabic, called Sawt al-Uthmaniyah , the Voice of Ottoman, with his friend Shimon Moyal. This newspaper targeted the Arab population in Palestine , in an attempt to explain the aims of the Zionist movement in Palestine and convince the Arabs of its good intentions. During WWI Malul was expelled to Damascus by the Turks, because he was suspected of anti-Turkish activities. He escaped to Egypt and stayed there until the end of the war. When he returned to Palestine he established two Arabic newspapers, Al-Akhbar and later al-Salam , both of which were funded by the Zionist movement, and preached Jewish-Arab understanding. Between 1922-1925 he became a member of the Zionist National Committee and later participated in the Arabic workers newspaper Ittihad al-Ummal .<br /><br />He was a true arab jew, and trying to work within the arab world/paradigm and find a place for zionism and make the bridge. I don't think his writings would be accessible for me today, but perhaps you might have access to them.An Arab Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-34838209331473790992009-07-28T21:42:25.380+01:002009-07-28T21:42:25.380+01:00Well . It certainly been a pleasant debate. I hope...Well . It certainly been a pleasant debate. I hope there will be other opportunities to revisit it.<br /><br />Let me know how you get on with the documentary.<br /><br />JosephArab Democracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-51800488656341925412009-07-27T03:43:38.777+01:002009-07-27T03:43:38.777+01:00P.S.
Haven't heard of that documentary. i'...P.S.<br /><br />Haven't heard of that documentary. i'll look for it.An Arab Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-33846807287065644202009-07-27T03:41:16.005+01:002009-07-27T03:41:16.005+01:00Thank you for a well-balanced post. It seems like ...Thank you for a well-balanced post. It seems like you're one of the few that really get it, hat tip to you.<br /><br />The incentives for an en-masse resettlement aren't there, true. but if the option was there, even a token one would do wonders, at the very least maintain an ember of the glorious communities that once presided. it pains me to hear of lebanese 'rubbing their eyes in surprise' hearing that wadi abu jamil was once a jewish neighbourhood (just one particular instance i've encountered lately). it has lots of value in not letting this much disperese.<br /><br />about ashkenazi jews... i'd hate to rip the mask, but more often than not, they don't get it (and that's being polite). for many of them, the nakba is some kind of yuppie hobby - light a candle, go to a demonstration, and then feel cleansed and purified for the next 48 hours, ofcourse after picking up chicks at the demo. the 'disengagmentists', as in 'we'll throw them a bone and they can choke on it' don't get it either. a territorial compromise is useless if all it breeds is a corrupt palestinian state that can't provide for its citizens. perhaps we're more intolerant and more entrenched, but we hold the key to a solution based on deeper mutual understanding than you'd ever get with ashkenazi jews or a promise of true co-existance.<br /><br />now don't get me wrong about this, but the concept of bilad a-sham makes more sense to me than trying to squeeze more states in the mess. ofcourse, i would differ with the SSNP/ba'ath vision of it regarding the character of it, but as part of a novel federalist framework, one could undo much of the damage done by both western colonialism and the arab-israeli conflict, while having some traits appeasing even to radicals on both sides. but for that to even be considered, one of the multiethnic projects in the area must be successful, and we're running out of time and hope on this.<br /><br />the majority of israelis accept that the land needs to be fairly shared one way or the other. there is just no seemingly good way to do it right now. If i had any reason to believe it will be the magic pill we've been all looking for... but we don't. will hamas lay down their arms or decry this as treason? what about ikhwan and hezbollah? will syria move to lebanese-style meddling attempts in the affairs of israel and palestine? and that's before we even started to discuss the right of return and the resulting fragile coexistence...<br />(not to mention that we'd have serious problems to 'deliver the goods' ourselves, but i think we're closer on this)An Arab Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-20995210372253844732009-07-26T23:56:25.072+01:002009-07-26T23:56:25.072+01:00I am pretty sure we will not resolve this complex ...I am pretty sure we will not resolve this complex issue through this online debate so you are right better focus on the initial topic of the post.<br /><br />For me , it is a non issue. If Arab Jews wish to re-settle in any Arab country, this should be facilitated in full. The truth is that the incentives aren't there: politically, economically and in terms of security. The Middle East in its current format isn't friendly to minorities. (The latest exodus of Iraqi Christians is only one example).<br /><br />Do they have a role in Israel in terms of helping achieve an honourable peace. Of course they do. But instead, the perception we have of them is of a more entrenched and more intolerant group, compared to Ashkenazi Jews. (Are you familiar with the Israeli documentary 'Route 181'?)<br /><br />With regards to the SSNP, The Baath and the Ikhwan. They have their own scores to settle with each other before addressing the Zionist issue.In fact they use the Zionist issue to avoid explaining the shortcomings in other aspects of their ideology.<br /><br />That said. The majority of Arabs would more or less reluctantly accept that Israel is here to stay. The land will need to be 'fairly' shared one way or the other, whether in 2 states or one state.The compromise will be painful but unavoidable.Arab Democracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-1030485135216197162009-07-26T19:09:15.948+01:002009-07-26T19:09:15.948+01:00P.S.
there are a lot of groups in the arab world ...P.S.<br /><br />there are a lot of groups in the arab world itself opposed to the two-state solution, from SSNP and the ba'ath party to ikhwan. do you call their position a primary perpetrating factor as well? who decided arbitarily about the two-state solution as the optimum? this needs further discussion.An Arab Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-39193154358180003222009-07-26T18:48:54.229+01:002009-07-26T18:48:54.229+01:00To answer your questions:
1. it does not. the pre...To answer your questions:<br /><br />1. it does not. the prevalent term is 'mizrahi' and jews see themselves as culturally distinct from arabs. but this is more probably than not a result of political climate. deep down, there's no point in denying our close contact, one that outweighs the involvement of the west by order of magnitude, and the ethno-sociological part of it is meaningless. arab or not, we're tied, one way or the other.<br /><br />2. my comment contains no such thing as this is not the subject of this post. the subject of the day is arab jews and this is a rare opportunity for discussion. nonetheless i'll be happy to provide my own input. even those who believe that 'jordan is palestine' may do so because they believe this offers a better future for the average palestinian instead of perpetually fighting israel. and even those who believe in the two-state solution may do so while sincerely hoping in their hearts that the resultant palestinian state will be corrupt and a horrible place to live in. in short, there is no direct correlation between political solution and compassion for the average palestinian. even those who fight hamas with their utmost heart, may believe that it is the only way the situation may improve for the palestinians.<br /><br />3. interesting. which of my words have a victim attachment to it? have i mentioned the farhud? the aden riots? the ouijda riots? the copious amount of looted property? they're all missing of this post, by purpose. I tried to keep my assessment to humane/realistic factors and not emotional/financial/political ones. the return of arab jews, whether 'just'/'politically correct' or not, is not realistic and involves actions which are not humane. i did mention 'grievances' as a gross generalization, which is the minimum required to set this discussion into the framework.<br /><br />4. the problem is that you are pitting the political against the humane. the palestinian problem is political in nature. were they all 'miraculously' naturalized today, arab countries can certainly give them a life of equal quality to the rest of their citizens, were they so to wish. infact, some palestinians lived pretty well off in iraq owing to saddam's support. they will further not feel estranged, as part of the arab space. as for jews, the opposite is true. even under better conditions, arab countries could not provide this for jews. even today, they still can't (e.g. the recent murders and expulsions of anti-zionist jews in yemen). what's worse, even for non-jews this is not working, with lebanon being dysfunctional secterian mess and christians slowly being purged out of the middle east. <br /><br />5.further onwards on this, if i were to believe that a two-state solution will bring peace and prosperity to the palestinians, i'd go for it. but it simply won't do unless radical changes occured in arab society at large, one that would obsolete the need for a 'big satan' and 'small satan' to cover up for regime corruption and incompetence, for lack of rights and for financial mismanagement woes.An Arab Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-45495377618013206162009-07-26T18:06:09.735+01:002009-07-26T18:06:09.735+01:00Thank you for your comment.
I wonder whether the ...Thank you for your comment.<br /><br />I wonder whether the concept of 'Arab Jew' has any standing in Israel.<br /><br />But what is more interesting than the ethnological debate is the lack of recognition or empathy for the position and the opinion of the 'average Palestinian'. <br /><br />I don't see in your words anything different from the perpetual victim status enshrined in Israeli discourse . <br /><br />Your welfare, which is your right, cannot be at any cost, and surely not at our expense. The first step to peace will be when you recognise the pain and suffering the creation of Israel has generated. Whether you were to blame originally or not, the fact today is that your stance over the settlements, Jerusalem and the establishment of a viable Palestinian state are primary perpetuating factors.<br /><br />JosephArab Democracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-44602825697458152942009-07-26T14:18:00.983+01:002009-07-26T14:18:00.983+01:00Quite interesting to find yourself in the middle o...Quite interesting to find yourself in the middle of an ethnological debate. funny feeling, that.<br /><br />back to the subject though. a population swap has already taken place - palestinians out of israel, arab jews in. what would be the point of yet another one? cater to the demands of some regimes? a tool to destroy israel?<br /><br />from the point of view of the average arab jew, trying to restore a community once it has been eradicated is futile. there has been intermarrige and loss of language, not to mention that the root cause for the original 'departure' is heavily reliant on the lack of place for jews in the nascent arab nationalism. do you honestly think any jew would entrust themselves into such a thing?<br /><br />the suggestions to undo what is now evidently 'fait accompli' are rather ludicrous. the one thing you CAN do for arab jews is encourage a PROPER reconciliation based upon recognition of grievances done to us. some assurance of a normal life instead of the one robbed of us.<br /><br />so here's to all readers and especially to wasim: the restitution of grievances is by the wishes and needs of those who had been wronged, not those who had wronged against them. we have been robbed of the chance to live a normal life in countries we inhabited for millenia. we demand back the only feasible solution to provide that back to us - a country of our own, that doesn't have to face continous actions to destroy it or wipe it off the map. thank you.An Arab Jewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-7611266043124098342007-12-08T17:19:00.000+00:002007-12-08T17:19:00.000+00:00It is a pleasure to find on the net a forum that p...It is a pleasure to find on the net a forum that promotes civil discourse and respect for all isdeas. <BR/><BR/>On right of return, who wants to return to Israeli does not seem to have ever been really address, just the demand of regimes. As several posters have commented Palestinians are not the only people who could demand this right in a blanket forum. No criteria isver seems to be mentioned and compensation for actual losses never considered. Nor does this demand consider what they would be returning to and the effects on the economy of the countries they return to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-56027499217566091792007-11-12T19:06:00.000+00:002007-11-12T19:06:00.000+00:00Thanks for your comment and the link.I personally ...Thanks for your comment and the link.<BR/><BR/>I personally think ur point is very valid and connects with what has been said before.I do not believe that the lobby behind this intended for its action to have such consequences.The whole point is to undermine the righ of return for Palestinians. But by doing so they have opened a debate that is actually quite healthy on the current regimes in the Arab world but also on the real history behind the emigration of jews from the Arab countries.And it is well documented that the story isnt as simple as they claim.<BR/><BR/>JosephArab Democracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-3871246619835820932007-11-12T11:39:00.000+00:002007-11-12T11:39:00.000+00:00Sorry to place a comment too late but I have run i...Sorry to place a comment too late but I have run into this link which actually shed light on the issue. The link is: <BR/>http://books.google.com/books?id=pxgonnuybEgC&pg=PA168&lpg=PA168&dq=aleppo+pogrom&source=web&ots=DxjAj1GCND&sig=Iz–9pOiDgB42S-OfcrJDX76yJM#PPA167,M1<BR/><BR/>This study by an academic explains what the Jews are asking the Arab countries which they have been left behind of. <BR/>This is a great thing to happen, because it opens the window for other groups to ask for the same thing. It is in the end the beginning of long lists of litigation against those authoritarian regimes that think no one can do anything to them and no one will punish them. <BR/>Now think of the people who left Syria in the 60s because they were as called capitalists who were been kicked out and confiscated their land and properties, factories, homes, and think of a whole strata of the society which have been affected from that time till now. Think of opposing parties or the ones who did not agree with the regime or the one the regime thought they are dangerous; those counts in millions of Syrian people, but sadly there are no data to give a number yet.<BR/>Think of what the regime have done to hundreds of thousands of innocent people living outside the country when he cooperated with the American and gave them the names of Syrian who lives peacefully in America claiming they are terrorists. I have couple of friends who lost their job in USA because of that.<BR/>By the way, I’m not against the regime but I’m against not having the opportunity to defend yourself.<BR/>Now this I hope may inspire people inside Syrian to start stand up to their rights and defended strongly from now on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-18503398377126369322007-11-08T22:05:00.000+00:002007-11-08T22:05:00.000+00:00sorry but is it accurate to talk about one syrian ...sorry but is it accurate to talk about one syrian opposition? i don't think so. there are secterian ones of course, but it's unfair to label it all as secterian. and another question here: why is it becoming a kind of common sense to say that in case an arab regime will fall, the only 2 options available are chaos and islamism???...is it all what our societies can give?<BR/>BachirAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-8094799964478805902007-11-08T20:28:00.000+00:002007-11-08T20:28:00.000+00:00The Syrian opposition abroad is a volatile unrepre...The Syrian opposition abroad is a volatile unrepresentative group with a sectarian outlook in most cases. Until they come up with a serious alternative the regime can whistand pressure after pressure.<BR/>And the west having learned from the Iraqi experience is unlikely to apply serious pressure anyway because no matter how unpleasant the Syrian regime is chaos is more frghtening for them.Arab Democracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-83734516314355846802007-11-08T12:13:00.000+00:002007-11-08T12:13:00.000+00:00Let me tell you brother, those Jew did not file th...Let me tell you brother, those Jew did not file the right of return in the congress because they want actually to come back, no, they did that to reserve their right.<BR/>Most people outside might not want to come back, but that does not lessen their right to come back and claim their belongings. And guys living in the country should not let down their brothers right. I will predict in the future more groups will file the same petition with the congress. <BR/><BR/>For the people inside, I know they want to run away from the oppression and go out, numbers are speaking loud. My prediction by the year 2020, Syrians outside will be double the Syrian inside. It is terrifying number to think of it.<BR/><BR/>It is no question of when thing will change at all, it is a question of to start the right track and might take ages. The whole culture of what is right and what is wrong need to be changed.<BR/> <BR/>People inside should not think of themselves strangers to the people outside as the regime wants to portray them, actually people in the Diaspora are the back bone for the people inside who are struggling for freedom, and they are proudly and brotherly the provider for people inside. Connection never will be cut. Each family outside is feeding other part of the family inside. <BR/><BR/>People in the Diaspora also are not one block, the regime still successful in making wedges between them. All the hidden and forbidden taboos inside about sects, religions, areas and clans surface strong out in the open in the Diaspora and become no taboo but still create mistrust. Ms. Shaaban is relatively successful so far in stopping the influence of people in Diaspora and damping their voices. In reality, she is the minister of providing the west with labor and professional. When she is outside, she only talks about the enemy from outside while she is on his lands visiting the sightseeing next day. She is working as the ambassador of manpower. <BR/>However, this is not going to last for long, and everyday when the regime gain one support from outside they loose two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-64491288022575904212007-11-08T01:59:00.000+00:002007-11-08T01:59:00.000+00:00yes I agree with you anonymous, in a way we should...yes I agree with you anonymous, in a way we should not pay attention to the intimidation process used by our regimes internally and justified by a war and dangers our region is facing... but, the price of ignoring their practices is too high we just need to have a look at the number of political prisonners in syrian prisons. the trouble is that people abroad are not thinking about coming back, at the contrary, those inside are dreaming about leaving... actually, i would like to raise a question here: do you guys think a diaspora is able to move and get mobilized and powerful if there is not in the country of origin a dynamic movement able to prove he can change the situation?<BR/>BachirArab Democracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-17654636151429288972007-11-08T00:53:00.000+00:002007-11-08T00:53:00.000+00:00Allow me to disagree, but not entirely; just rewar...Allow me to disagree, but not entirely; just rewarding,<BR/><BR/>This is not chicken and egg situation; we do not and should not delay human rights and economic development in the name of the struggle against external enemy or against colonialism or imperialism, we should change our porosities and stop getting deceived by their rules those nonsense. Then we will not worry about any type of victory because victory in this struggle will be satisfactory and then our regional problem will be solved in civility and intelligence. <BR/><BR/>If you want to understand me right, I’m saying we should stop listen to the authoritarian government regarding the land and we should keep emphasizing the priorities such as the return of Syrians whom been deprived from coming back to Syria including the Jews.<BR/><BR/>We should not pay attention to the authoritarian propaganda claiming that danger is external while it is in our midst. The economic situation, human rights and free speech and expression are more way more essential.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-91832304410460776822007-11-07T23:10:00.000+00:002007-11-07T23:10:00.000+00:00Thanks for your comment.If I understood u well, we...Thanks for your comment.<BR/><BR/>If I understood u well, we are getting to the same conclusion from different angles.Which is that authoritarian governments cannot bring back the land and even if they did their victory would be worthless since the populations will be subjected to their tyranny.<BR/><BR/>This is a chicken and egg situation: We have to delay democracy,human rights and economic development in the name of 'THE STRUGGLE AGAINST THE ENEMY'.But can we really achieve any kind of victory with a repressed, unhappy and poor society? Personally I am not convinced anymore. <BR/><BR/>JosephArab Democracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-67622428863054911772007-11-07T22:16:00.000+00:002007-11-07T22:16:00.000+00:00This is my take, I hope I could covey what I wante...This is my take, I hope I could covey what I wanted to say if not, please excuse me and forgive my intrusion.<BR/><BR/>What I was trying to say that we should not loose focus of which is major and which is minor. I meant we never should forget to put the issues in order. The article talks about the Jew claiming their right of return to Arab Lands which they forced to leave. This is a legit issue and goes under the right of people to return to their homeland. <BR/><BR/>Let’s start from the beginning; first, humans are more importance than the land.<BR/>This is eternal fact. This mean serving human needs comes before the accommodation of the state needs or goal for the return of the land. And the second should not be on the expense of the first.<BR/><BR/>All human needs from food, to shelter and human rights and so on, come before the land, and government are responsible for those needs. Government can not freeze time for the purpose of returning the land. <BR/><BR/>From this point, the value of human in the occupied land (Golan for example) should be more important to us than the return of the land. Otherwise fifty years from now most of them will speak Hebrew and will have establish a new belonging to the new state which is by now lasting more human life span. <BR/><BR/>From here, the governments who boycott the occupier in a protest of occupying the land on the expense of the people in the occupied land are committing treason against their own people. Please notice I’m not here advocating forgetting about the land or making full relation between the two countries. I’m saying if they lost their connection with their people and could not make a bridge with them, they lost their cause (luckily after 40 years the Syrian government awaken and bought the apples from Golan Heights), <BR/><BR/>Then, each citizen has the right to his homeland before even the land issue. That is mean returning to the land under any authority is more important that the return of the land to other authority. This means that the issue of return of the Syrians who are not allowed into their country for any reason is above even any other issue like the occupied land.<BR/>This mean, our major struggle actually not with Israel, it is with our own government because it deprived our people from their right to return. <BR/><BR/>This mean the article which talk about the return of the Jews to their homeland will raise another more important issue which is the return of the expelled Syrians ( who are counted in hundreds of thousands, because they oppose the regime), this issue will become very important and will take precedent. <BR/><BR/>From this point the issue of the returning of the Jews is bad news for the authoritarian government because will raise other issues might make them never have a good sleep.<BR/><BR/>From here we can understand why the opposition for such an issue will be great, specially from authoritarian states, because it will open a can of warms for the government and for our conscious which is still behind on human scale and does not prioritize things properly in this global age.<BR/><BR/>In other world, what apply to super power does not apply on us. Our priorities should be our human and we should demand this prioritization for our sake. Because in the end I wonder if we are going to learn from history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-68293780427427030642007-11-07T12:29:00.000+00:002007-11-07T12:29:00.000+00:00so what anonymous??? where do you want to get? can...so what anonymous??? where do you want to get? can you be be more clear in order for other participants to understand and avoid judging you and attacking you because of something you didn't say or mean... what you said is not clear at all and can be explained in many different ways....Arab Democracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-9635463903704331622007-11-07T10:23:00.000+00:002007-11-07T10:23:00.000+00:00And you still think that you have one problem, the...And you still think that you have one problem, the Palestinian problem?<BR/>I think we are not getting the heart of the problem if we do not look at the big picture. <BR/>So, if you thinking about swapping people; do not forget the number one problem in each country. In Syrian for example, the number one problem is the people who are Arab or Kurds or any Syrian citizen kicked out and can not retune to his home because his home would be prison if he dare to show up. <BR/>Now, go figure how many one like this. And if you think those are numbered in hundreds, please revise your data and get to know that those counts in hundreds of thousands and growing every year. In Iraq the number we all know, in Iran, all over, the problem is big and need fundamental change in the whole region. So, please if you are a Syrian, speak about Syria and if you are Palestinian speak about your issue and do not shield other to cover up yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-31338758842714655092007-11-06T18:37:00.000+00:002007-11-06T18:37:00.000+00:00I think Wassim's comment on an exchange of refugee...I think Wassim's comment on an exchange of refugees is a valid one if placed in its right context.<BR/><BR/>If it is true that 'Arab jews' or 'jews living in Arab countries'(And the correct terminology is for these people themselves to decide)were forced into exile in Israel, then their return to their previous homelands is a matter of time and can be encouraged by creating a state of tolerance in these countries.<BR/>At the moment Arabs and muslims are barely able to tolerate each other.So working for tolerance and understnading is in itself an anti-Zionist act a hundred times more effective than Katiousha rockets.<BR/><BR/>JosephArab Democracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17484561039671942435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-44728454930712143722007-11-06T16:02:00.000+00:002007-11-06T16:02:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Maysaloonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06826378383173206624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-84802260391651720102007-11-06T08:09:00.000+00:002007-11-06T08:09:00.000+00:00Golania you have very valid arguments on the issue...Golania you have very valid arguments on the issue and i think there's not enough space in the arab world to discuss such matters and it's a pity, while israelis, and specifically their lobbies use all the democratic, western, and lobbying channels to raise and promote every detail related to their "homeland" and their people... I'm not saying that the arabs should use the very same ways jews are exploiting in order to achieve their interest, but at least, i think there's enough potential in the arab world, and specially between the arab diaspora, to be much more influent. And i have here an idea i would like to know what you all think about it: the arab islamists for example, using the democratic western channels to finance and plan terrorist attacks. Wouldn t they have been more human, powerful, and respected if they canalized that potential in terms af a regular influential system based on declared and lawful lobbying practices that would have maybe led them to achieve their interest???... I know it's unrealistic for the islamists right now to do so, certainly after 9/11 and all the anti islamist regulations in the west... so those who left and do not have a choice but to do so are the modern laic arabs abroad, who should, i think, strenghten the links with the inside modern powers in their homelands first, and then operate each from his or her position abroad in order to start an accumulation process that will pay with time (and maybe a long time)... but in the end, the results will definitely be on 2 levels, the local one and the international one. <BR/>BachirAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6700183921884368962.post-49087125194103652342007-11-06T06:46:00.000+00:002007-11-06T06:46:00.000+00:00"enemy"* And btw, congrats for new author Nisrine ..."enemy"* <BR/><BR/>And btw, congrats for new author Nisrine for joining Arab Democracy team, I am not necessarily interested in the topics she writes about, but I enjoy reading her arguments.<BR/>Good luck Nisrine and Arab Democracy.Golaniyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07922633234053941317noreply@blogger.com